16 OCTOBER - DAVE DAVE

[EMPATHY]

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I have to tell you that I feel slightly worried - perhaps even anxious and this arises from the thread link above which you need to see or read.

Maybe this Tower card reversed has nothing to do with Dave but comes to me as a message. Its not a great card, it tells us that lies and deceptions may all crumble down and the truth is laid bare. If this were to happen then we are asked to make of it what we want to. It could also be telling us that someone is worried that this may happen rather than it happening because in the same breath we have the situation that perhaps now is not the time for the truth = secrets may need to be kept for the well being of the common good? but is there a secret threatening to slip ? it feels like that - perhaps a child died some time ago and this has never been said?

This card can show someone bankrupt with a threatening illness - its just not the best card to draw. It can be someone who is trying to recover but with a lot of pressure on them - and all around them overwhelmingly threatening when they are tryiing to get well. I dont see this as a nice situation. I dont know if that is what is facing Dave Dave but I feel shivers on me.

This card tells us that an unexpected change brought a lot of things into focus. We have the Devil of bondage and addiction before this Tower and then we have the Star of hope.

Can this situation get better without it getting worse first? The card is number 16 and number 19 or 91 in reverse we need to remember those numbers for they must have a part to play?

This card makes a situation difficult to survive. We have an accident out of the blue on this card a major shake up and it seems some kind of friendship or partnership that is broken perhaps over selfish and destroyed ambition. The price of this card is a high price to pay to gain freedom of mind, body and spirit

False accusations are in this card, threats of imprisonment but a seeming acceptance of the collapse of everything. The card asks not to resist this huge change because it has to happen. Its the only way to self truth and self knowledge.

Through confusion and many tongues gossip - which we liken to the tower of babel. We are unable to establish the truth because of distorted men. The lies have been maintained because nobody is going to say the truth they dont want to say the truth.

The tower is like a frame of film, reversed the film is being thrown backwards ( Remember? Roll the film backwards) Putting together untruths, making it all look right this is what we have - but the liars - Not only are the lies not going to be revealed, but the liars are going to get away with worse. They will tell more lies--lies which will be believed over the truth (the crown throwing back the lightning bolt at heaven!). They are protected by the rocky foundation which now crowns them, and there is no throwing them out.

The Reversed Tower is the card that might show up if they were trying to reveal the truth about a terrible scam or scandal, but the liars are too powerful--they will be believed, protected, supported--and the lightning that should reveal all about them, that should bring them down will be thrown at the another instead. The truthful person will be seen as the liar and, for the moment, they will suffer. They will not be believed and the Tower will remain standing.

This is SOOOOO bad. and it has all come from looking at Dave Daves picture.

This is a situation hard to get out of and someone is trapped in this situation - sometimes it can mean a broken building too - its just throwing out all sorts of horrible vibes.

Somebody was destroyed here, their identity almost taken from them. They were undermined and their personalities degraded and downtrodden. It can even be where someone finds out their father was not the person they thought they were. There is so much grief in this card and trauma that goes right back. Abuse smacking - horrible things.

The feeling of this card is someone not belonging not being able to find themselves, who they are or being able to fit in.

I saw a very jealous person in the cards you will recall. I see it again now . The Tower is when one person deliberately sets out to undermine another. The cause behind this is often jealousy or, if the two people are in a relationship, fear of abandonment. This fear is rooted in the unconscious idea that if the partner achieves more then they will no longer want to be with someone who is not so worthy.

Someone being told they are NOT worthy, they are NOT capable of achieving - Many people live within these abusive relationships until they quite literally reach breaking point. Often people suffer them for many, many years, the ego identity too crushed to believe that they would be capable of making it on their own.



Someone here is facing someone who does,nt want to be surpassed - perhaps their teacher or their mentor making them feel inferior and incapable in case they are better then them.

There is a situation that needs to be corrected. It must be corrected it is very important for a new change to come.

Knowledge is hell if you know it cannot be said. What is known? Something is known but it cannot be said its there on the tip of the tongue, but CAN IT BE SAID?

This calls for the inner voice to speak. To let the change happen and let it happen inside. To try to break free and make something of what is left of rubble.

I hate this card. I feel drained.

The card reveals some terrible things but it also has a positive side. The positive side tells us - we can make that change - does that ring any bells for us all - the change is coming. Its arriving the fate is coming to the doorstep.

There is no room to for trickery here, there is no room to believe in illusions, one has to face the truth. False pretences and false illusions are all here. Resistance to change is useless - it has to change or the person is trapped forever.

Perhaps we were lied to about a building?

This card is a perfect mirror of 9/11 what year was that 2001.
2001 !!



I feel strange tonight since I saw Daves Video. I have a voice in my head and it says 'there is no God' - I dont know why.

SILENCE - I knew that word was important. I think I know what this all means. I am not able to talk about this.