Post by EMPATHY on Feb 17, 2010 0:42:05 GMT 1
Here is a message written in our DISCUSS TAROT THREAD which I decided to answer. Corazon had written this in reply to todays MICHAEL AND LOVE ICHING 16 February and I have replied in that thread but I also put that reply here and have added to it.
Hi Empathy,
I always got the feeling that you were hesitant to touch on "Michael being in love" part for various reasons. I truly believe that he is in love but not as one would think. I do not think he is in a physical body, though he is very close to this earth...( two worlds) that's why so many have felt his energy. I don't think he's abandoned his fans, family, loved ones,.. i think he's abandoned his body.. and by some exception from the Divine he's having a relationship with his twn flame (from the past) helping her complete her life's mission. This is only my strong opinion, I'd be curious to know what the tarot has to say about this scenario. Thanks.
Hello Corazon , well thats certainly an interesting concept.
I have not delved into the Ace of Cups deliberately I left that on the blogger for others to come to their own thoughts about it.
Many will realise what Ace of cups are - in fact I did give people a chance to decipher the Ace here to see how the forumers think they will remember this.
Aces before anything else are BEGINNINGS. They are the spark that lights the journey of the rest of the tarot.
If Michael were at the END of his Journey, there would have been no ACE but if you recall, the very first card I touched upon with him was the TOWER which greeted me on 16 March to show me that an old life had come to an end. Tower cards regardless of what anybody says are not really death cards, they are extreme and dramatic changes to ones life. For example, something extreme would be someone who was living an active life and then confined to a wheelchair. Their old life would end and a new one would begin because they would face a new challenge.
Now THAT is an example only. So what we know is from the very first tarot we had here on the forum that I had seen back in March was something catastrophic to Michaels lifestyle. It was so extreme in fact that it changed his entire concept of living and life to the point where he would have to begin again.
That is what the tower tells us. It is difficult for me because I only picked one card for Michael at the time and did not elaborate on the vibrations of that tower card - so it does leave options as to what that extreme situation could be. Only the cards and the readings that followed can give rise to understand.
One of the cards in the next sets of readings from them was the ACE.
That ACE is a new and fresh beginning/relationship/emotional way of thinking. That would imply something new on the horizon.
It is a CUP which is a heart - and can imply love relationship.
I agree too that the Ace of Cups represents the beginning of love, fertility and creativity. It is a card to inspire confidence and happiness. When it turns up a reading of an everyday nature it can indicate the start of a loving relationship (of either the romantic or friendship variety); it can represent the beginning of a project in which a great deal of loving energy is invested (rather like the beginning of the new explosion of interest the world has had in Michael ) or sometimes it can reveal conception - the beginning of a new life.
I believe there had to be a 'blessing' given for this new start or new journey - because in order for it to begin it needed perhaps the injection of approval.
However, I shall leave those thoughts with you. I am not really yet convinced of Michael in the spiritual world in ascension, I believe he is in a spiritual SITUATION and thats quite a different thing however, again, it remains to be something to be speculated upon when tarot refuses as well as ICHING to confirm either way . Yet meanwhile, we have a smile from Michael and what may appear as a kind of wink.
Its a bit like o - keeee - and a clearing of the throat but we just let it flow or go whichever way you want to take it - because its almost like barging into a room where perhaps we should,nt?
Again the only real concept we have for the Ace that tarot has given us is to imagine that he is in love - well we also have to understand what love really is, we know that there is some kind of connection here but we also have to remember this -
the ace of cups will show that the individual is receptive and open to loving emotions and has a caring nature. It does not necessarily mean that the questioner is “in love”, or even has a personal relationship in their life.(At the time the card was dealt remember) Sometimes it can refer to the desire, or readiness, to explore a new personal relationship.
So in MICHAEL AND LOVE iching that I posted today, I said someone from the past may have come forward - it may suggest that Michael was 'exploring' the possibility of furthering his interest there so it is the inception of love here and a possible new beginning.
The Ace can also be the commencement of creative or artistic projects - it may therefore connect to someone from the past but also one who could be involved or linked to the projects that Michael had been involved in which brought us This is it.
So this new beginning could have been quite a few things wrapped up in one and we have to consider that.
I have written in further tarot that I felt a home was going to be sold or taken away and therefore action would have been needed to sort this out. That is also in that section of tarot from 16 March until 4 August and showed itself on more than one occasion since that time.
All the tarot is a series of messagest that we have to put together they dont all show at the same time. We have to link them.
The Ace is planning for the future and the emotional element of that which is done with a pure heart - beginning again is how I see this card and receiving a 'blessing' to do this.
When priests give their lives to god, they go through a ceremony and a marriage of love with a pure spirit element - but they are not dead - they are simply giving themselves up to pure thought but also with pure love.
So one must try to look deeply into it - my interpretation was linked to what the tarot told me and I have felt that something from the past came forward into the future.
It is best to read Michael and Love 16 February - once again.
One other thing is that though it is a nice concept that Corozon has given - when you die, you are not allowed to interfere with physical elements - you leave the physical and from quite a few sources it is thought that no spiritual contact can be made for at least six months. I have never been impressed with those people who have said that they contact Michael spiritually - mediums etc as I thought that was a total nonsense and tarot confirmed that for me - so corozon it would appear to me that Michael is very unlikely to be spiritually helping or connecting with anyone in the way that you were thinking unless he is dead.......
However,.....
Tarot denies a direct answer about life or death - and placed Michael in two worlds which was explained as someone who DOES EXIST but to the world at large does NOT EXIST.
I rather think that tells us a great deal.
All the same, I think it is fine for everyone to feel what comes naturally to them in the case of Michael because I think he would be so pleased that people loved him and cared for him to enquire after him in this way - as long as we remember where the Boundaries are. I feel inclined to stay with my own feeling of the Ace as a contemplation of whether to take up a new offer of love or creative relationship that I saw around that time that seemed to have had some connection to the past.
Hope this helps everyone and Corozan thank you for posing a very good question and allowing this answer here. You must follow your own heart here - and how you feel because that is what we all must do xxxxx
I always got the feeling that you were hesitant to touch on "Michael being in love" part for various reasons. I truly believe that he is in love but not as one would think. I do not think he is in a physical body, though he is very close to this earth...( two worlds) that's why so many have felt his energy. I don't think he's abandoned his fans, family, loved ones,.. i think he's abandoned his body.. and by some exception from the Divine he's having a relationship with his twn flame (from the past) helping her complete her life's mission. This is only my strong opinion, I'd be curious to know what the tarot has to say about this scenario. Thanks.
Hello Corazon , well thats certainly an interesting concept.
I have not delved into the Ace of Cups deliberately I left that on the blogger for others to come to their own thoughts about it.
Many will realise what Ace of cups are - in fact I did give people a chance to decipher the Ace here to see how the forumers think they will remember this.
Aces before anything else are BEGINNINGS. They are the spark that lights the journey of the rest of the tarot.
If Michael were at the END of his Journey, there would have been no ACE but if you recall, the very first card I touched upon with him was the TOWER which greeted me on 16 March to show me that an old life had come to an end. Tower cards regardless of what anybody says are not really death cards, they are extreme and dramatic changes to ones life. For example, something extreme would be someone who was living an active life and then confined to a wheelchair. Their old life would end and a new one would begin because they would face a new challenge.
Now THAT is an example only. So what we know is from the very first tarot we had here on the forum that I had seen back in March was something catastrophic to Michaels lifestyle. It was so extreme in fact that it changed his entire concept of living and life to the point where he would have to begin again.
That is what the tower tells us. It is difficult for me because I only picked one card for Michael at the time and did not elaborate on the vibrations of that tower card - so it does leave options as to what that extreme situation could be. Only the cards and the readings that followed can give rise to understand.
One of the cards in the next sets of readings from them was the ACE.
That ACE is a new and fresh beginning/relationship/emotional way of thinking. That would imply something new on the horizon.
It is a CUP which is a heart - and can imply love relationship.
I agree too that the Ace of Cups represents the beginning of love, fertility and creativity. It is a card to inspire confidence and happiness. When it turns up a reading of an everyday nature it can indicate the start of a loving relationship (of either the romantic or friendship variety); it can represent the beginning of a project in which a great deal of loving energy is invested (rather like the beginning of the new explosion of interest the world has had in Michael ) or sometimes it can reveal conception - the beginning of a new life.
I believe there had to be a 'blessing' given for this new start or new journey - because in order for it to begin it needed perhaps the injection of approval.
However, I shall leave those thoughts with you. I am not really yet convinced of Michael in the spiritual world in ascension, I believe he is in a spiritual SITUATION and thats quite a different thing however, again, it remains to be something to be speculated upon when tarot refuses as well as ICHING to confirm either way . Yet meanwhile, we have a smile from Michael and what may appear as a kind of wink.
Its a bit like o - keeee - and a clearing of the throat but we just let it flow or go whichever way you want to take it - because its almost like barging into a room where perhaps we should,nt?
Again the only real concept we have for the Ace that tarot has given us is to imagine that he is in love - well we also have to understand what love really is, we know that there is some kind of connection here but we also have to remember this -
the ace of cups will show that the individual is receptive and open to loving emotions and has a caring nature. It does not necessarily mean that the questioner is “in love”, or even has a personal relationship in their life.(At the time the card was dealt remember) Sometimes it can refer to the desire, or readiness, to explore a new personal relationship.
So in MICHAEL AND LOVE iching that I posted today, I said someone from the past may have come forward - it may suggest that Michael was 'exploring' the possibility of furthering his interest there so it is the inception of love here and a possible new beginning.
The Ace can also be the commencement of creative or artistic projects - it may therefore connect to someone from the past but also one who could be involved or linked to the projects that Michael had been involved in which brought us This is it.
So this new beginning could have been quite a few things wrapped up in one and we have to consider that.
I have written in further tarot that I felt a home was going to be sold or taken away and therefore action would have been needed to sort this out. That is also in that section of tarot from 16 March until 4 August and showed itself on more than one occasion since that time.
All the tarot is a series of messagest that we have to put together they dont all show at the same time. We have to link them.
The Ace is planning for the future and the emotional element of that which is done with a pure heart - beginning again is how I see this card and receiving a 'blessing' to do this.
When priests give their lives to god, they go through a ceremony and a marriage of love with a pure spirit element - but they are not dead - they are simply giving themselves up to pure thought but also with pure love.
So one must try to look deeply into it - my interpretation was linked to what the tarot told me and I have felt that something from the past came forward into the future.
It is best to read Michael and Love 16 February - once again.
One other thing is that though it is a nice concept that Corozon has given - when you die, you are not allowed to interfere with physical elements - you leave the physical and from quite a few sources it is thought that no spiritual contact can be made for at least six months. I have never been impressed with those people who have said that they contact Michael spiritually - mediums etc as I thought that was a total nonsense and tarot confirmed that for me - so corozon it would appear to me that Michael is very unlikely to be spiritually helping or connecting with anyone in the way that you were thinking unless he is dead.......
However,.....
Tarot denies a direct answer about life or death - and placed Michael in two worlds which was explained as someone who DOES EXIST but to the world at large does NOT EXIST.
I rather think that tells us a great deal.
All the same, I think it is fine for everyone to feel what comes naturally to them in the case of Michael because I think he would be so pleased that people loved him and cared for him to enquire after him in this way - as long as we remember where the Boundaries are. I feel inclined to stay with my own feeling of the Ace as a contemplation of whether to take up a new offer of love or creative relationship that I saw around that time that seemed to have had some connection to the past.
Hope this helps everyone and Corozan thank you for posing a very good question and allowing this answer here. You must follow your own heart here - and how you feel because that is what we all must do xxxxx